Fantasy Football 2009-2011 [AF Elite]

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I can work with the suggestions, but they will need at least others to hop on board with them to be installed.

Meaning: if you feel it is in the best of the league and "equalizing" the discernable level of play between QBs and the skill position players, then these changes could be lobbied, but again, since it's a small league, I think at 4-5 guys need to sign off on it, lest we lose them for failing to comprehend what we're trying to achieve.

The sack penalty (along with the -3 INT penalty) were offered by me as a hypothetical "limiter" if we do get to adding a second starter QB for this season (which might be official by week's end). It's so the QB position alone doesn't dicate whether or not one team wins or loses, each week, just based on the play of his QBs in that particular week. In other words, it's meant to de-empasize (I think) the total points scored by the two QBs, so that just those two players, whomever they are, don't consistently outscore the other skill positions combined (not including Flex and TE).

If we'd like a vote on the penalty of a half-point (-0.5) for each sack a QB takes, that's alright, and it might just pass.

But before that, I'd like to hear your take on whether or not you would prefer that the QB position, instead of having to pass for 25 yards for each point earned, it be reduced to just 20 yards passing = 1 pt ; and instead of a passing TD being 6 pts, it instead is reduced to the more traditional 4 pts. Interceptions would still be worth negative two points, and then we can decide on whether or not we add a sack penalty, or whether we introduce the "long bomb" TD bonuses again (this was in place last season, but only for the QB position, I noticed).

i.e.
Kurt Warner, in week 13 of last season (vs. Minn.) threw for 285 yds, 3 TD, 0 INT/Fum (+ 3 rushes, -1 yds ; 0 sack)
In our previous scoring system, (from last year, disregarding long TD bonus) Warner would have had a 29-pt day.
With the slight revision in review, (20 yds pass / 4 PassTD / -2 INT) this year, given same performance, the QB would have scored 14 points via total yards, plus another 12 due to TDs, making his total on the day: 26 pts.


It may not seem like much of a difference, but it does make one, by lowering the juggernauts that the elite QBs are, who pass for sometimes 3 times (or more) the number of touchdowns as the best running back in the league is able to accomplish. Instead of overvaluing the touchdown makers (Favre, Rodgers) this slight tweak rewards the more consistent total-yards passers (Peyton, Schaub)
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I think the above is the most reasonable, and I'm having a hard time wondering why I didn't think of it sooner.

Well...let's have each thing up for vote.

QBs: 2

Sack penalty: None

INT: -2

Pass Yards: 25 per point

TD: 5 points

No long TD bonus....I don't even understand why you would have that?

The long TD bonus is kind of fun, I think, as it rewards the spectacular play of either QBs / RB / WRs who "go big".
I made a specific formula for a custom league of mine where a RB needs to score a TD of over 28 yards to grant them the bonus, a WR needs to go over 40 yards, and a QB needs to score a TD of over 50 yards to get the bonus. I don't have sucha system installed, well, because, no one has this sort of custom-setting (not ESPN, not Yahoo!, still looking to try NFL.com).

It's also why, I think, the best "true" PPR leagues have WRs getting 1 pt, RBs 0.5 pt, and TEs 1.5 pts per catch.
Again, no league or web service I know of has this sort of very-customized setting.

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Is the above your take on this, Drew? I'll guess that it is.

Mine:
Starting QBs: 2

Sack penalty: I'd rather not have it, but I'm not vehemently opposed to it, either. If so, in favor of the -0.5 loss.

INT: -2

TD: 4 pts

Passing Yards for 1 point: 20

Other misc.: I'm not a forerunner for the "go big" TD bonus, but how about "300 yd passers - 2 pt bonus"?
Peyton & Schaub were tied last season for the most 300-yd games with 6, so at the end of the season, they only added 12 fantasy pts to their total, but again, on a weekly basis for each occurrence, they were rewarded.

[erokero85]

Starting QB: 1 or 2 don't matter to me

Sacks: -0.5

Int: -2

Pass Yd: 25 = 1pt

TD: 5pt

Long TD bonus: 40yd +0.5/ 50yd +1pt either or both. Just adds excitement to big plays and espn has a setting for both.

300yd bonus: +1

I'd say add the long play & 300yd bonuses since we have both set up for runningbacks (100yd +2, 40ydtd +2, tho I'd change it to 1pt each) and if we have it for that position I think we should have it for all the positions. Including adding similar bonuses for WR's.

[erokero85]

Oh, one more thing on the DEF/ST scoring, Safety's are 4pts? Was it really that way last year? That essentially makes them into defensive touchdowns, Safety (+4) + fumble recovery (+2). I really don't remember, and I'm not around much so I might have missed the discussion, but I think it's a bit too much. I really don't see why it should get 4pts, when in the game teams only get 2?

Oh, and when do we find out the draft order?

[Drew]

But safeties are so much more rare than touchdowns, so I think that evens out. +4 sounds like a good number for them.

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Yeah, my thinking is in line with Drew's. I actually really like safeties in the real game, as they both score you points (only 2, tho) AND gives you offensive control of the ball. It's win / win. But, as Drew mentioned, they are so rare and few-and-far-between, even in a 256-game season, you'd be beyond lucky to see 4-6 of them happen, and it's more common in any given year that 0-2 safeties actually occur. I believe they are almost as game-changing as a defensive touchdown with how they both reward a defensive stop and put the offense in a position to capitalize.

Same with blocked kicks / punts. I think those are worth 3 pts now. No biggie, but when they happen, they absolutely disrupt and change the tempo of the game.

Update: The 2 QB system is a go for this season, as 6 of our members think it can work, and only DL1 had a real problem with it. The only thing that remains to be determined upon is how to make the QB position less of a "juggernaut" and make it more stable, yet still productive. I don't know if we can have 6 points per passing touchdown (even really 4 pts still make the 18th-ranked QB look like a FF world beater) without at least penalizing interceptions and QB mistakes (sacks taken) more.



Over the weekend, I'm going to be inputting and changing the custom scoring settings for QBs to see which would be the most feasible, and report back on how it shapes up. I will REVERT the scoring back to how it was set at the beginning of this season (6 passTD , 25 yd , -2 INT , NO 50+ TD bonus , NO 300-yd game).

ero: draft order is determined 1 hour before the draft ; Draft is currently set to live on Sun. Sep. 5 at 5:30 ET

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Well, after spending the past two hour nitpicking and setting / resetting through the scoring, and seeing what strikes the ideal balance among the positions, I came up with this; it may not be perfect, but I tried to allow the suggestions for settings by others, and seeing how it affected the overall top 12, top 25, and top 50 players.

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Passing Every 25 passing yards (PY25) 1 TD Pass (PTD) 6
Interceptions Thrown (INT) -3 2pt Passing Conversion (2PC) 2
300-399 yard passing game (P300) 1 Sacked (SK) -0.5

Rushing Every 10 rushing yards (RY10) 1 TD Rush (RTD) 6
2pt Rushing Conversion (2PR) 2 100-199 yard rushing game (RY100) 3

Receiving Every 10 receiving yards (REY10) 1 Each reception (REC) 1
TD Reception (RETD) 6 2pt Receiving Conversion (2PRE) 2

Miscellaneous Every 25 kickoff return yards (KR25) 1 Kickoff Return TD (KRTD) 6
Punt Return TD (PRTD) 6 Fumble Recovered for TD (FTD) 6
Total Fumbles (FUM) -1 Total Fumbles Lost (FUML) -2

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I'll leave the settings up for the next three days so you can see if you like it, or not. (vote yea or voice what may be wrong)
Here's a quick-link for easy comparisons: (hopefully it works for you all ; think you need to log into ESPN first)
>> http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/freeagency ... Group=null


I also think the top 50 is slightly WR-heavy, but that's to be expected with full point PPR-bump.
It evens out once in the top 100 players (2009) - 28 WR , 26 RB , 17 QB , 11, TE , 8 DEF.


I know I stated that I'd like your honest opinion to how I did in balancing out the positions,
but I will reiterate, it was a VERY long and arduous process fine-tuning the settings so they don't go all outrageous (and neither do you guys). I do hope it is to everyone's satisfaction


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PS

(after spending some of the time this past week looking for another league to join, and sometimes seeing the scoring settings so unnecessarily "+1UP"'d, where nearly all the top 50 offensive stars went above and beyond 1,000 pts scored for the season, I decided that the purer the league settings, slightly-incentivized if called for, but don't get greedy, is absolutely the way to go.)

Draft is in 24 hrs x 7 d + 14 hrs = ? (a week from whenever you read this)

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Yo, TT: are you here? I can't believe we actually filled the IDP league.
Did ESPN send you a reminder? I totally slept on the draft, and got so many scrubs, it looks painful.

We're facing off in week 1 so I guess this kills our chance of trading players before season starts
(I think I drafted 3 of the top 8 safeties, which is the only high point of my team. All else: average at best)

It's unbelievable. The teams must have just flooded in from the league directory, because the draft was tonight.
And I was online, too! So bitter.

Haha. Well, time to make the most of a dirty dinner; TT, if you feel like parting with Fletcher, please let me know.
See you when the season starts (or sooner!).

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For those that need or appreciate such reminders, the AF Elite league shall be drafting shortly
(within the next 2-3 hours the league will go 'live', and so will our newest season with it)

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Question:
now that the draft is through, and our new season is just days away, I went through the settings, and found something that could be debated upon. I have found that during the regular season, if a tie were to occur between two teams in a match, the team whose benched players scored more points would be declared the winner, via tiebreaker. Does anyone feel strongly one way or the other about this? Do you think this is a fair rule? Would you prefer that ties be allowed to take place during the regular season instead? (however rare they actually are, but in this league, yeah, they have happened each year now).